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Post  Gilraen on Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:49 am


Molto bene ! We'll start in 10 minutes. Here is our geographical situation :

https://i.servimg.com/u/f68/16/28/23/10/carte_10.jpg

Here's my analysis of the situation :

To the east, the Ottoman Empire is slowly declining, and it could be a serious opponent for the domination of the mediterranea and adriatic sea. It's more likely that they will have to deal with the egyptians, the russian, and of course the austrian ambitions. To the north, there are the papal states, we have a superior army and population, yet they are in the sphere of influence of France, it's a satellite state in other words... We could invade them but France would crush us in the minute. Austria, France's mortal ennemy own Venice and the surrounding, and both Tuscany and Parma are in their sphere of influence. Northern italy is a powder keg. The Piémont which is the north-west of italia is independant, but France will probably try anything to control the country, whether by diplomatic or military ways. Austria will also have to deal with the Prussian, who wants to unify Germany. France might also play a part in this debate.

Our position is not desperate ! To the south, the Great Africa awaits. France is going to start an invasion on Algeria, and they will probably share Morroco with Spain. This is the occasion for us to conquer a strong foothold in northern Africa, I advice that you guys consider taking Tunisia. Also, this could be another way to contest the Ottoman expansion in the region, since they are conquering Tripoli as we speak. We've got a strong army, and a strong political system. We're also the most powerful of all the italian factions.

Our economy is weak, not to say laughable, here's what we produce :

https://i.servimg.com/u/f68/16/28/23/10/aconom11.jpg

We do not even have one single factory. One notion can't become a great power without a strong economy. Most of our points are coming from our "prestige".

Diplomatically, France is the only great power whom we are friend with, yet they are not our allies, the other just ignore us.

Technologically, we are not really late. And... since the game just begun we have to choose one technology in one of the following fields :

- Army
* Army doctrine
* Light armement
* Heavy armement
* Military science
* Army leadership

- Navy
* Navy doctrine
* Ship construction
* Naval engineering
* Naval science
* Naval leadership

- Culture
* Aesthetics
* Philosophy
* Social thoughts
* Political thoughts
* Psychology

- Industry
* Power
* Mechanization
* Metallurgy
* Infrastructures
* Chemistry / Electricity

- Commerce (trading).
* Financial institutions
* Monetary system
* Economic thought and critic
* Market functionnality
* Organization

My opinion, for what it's worth is that we should focus on Industry and Army first. We need to have the first technology of railroads to improve our production, and we also need to have brilliant generals and officers. I gave you my opinion and some advices because this is the first game, but know that as the game goes I'll give you less and less advices.

Also, there is a lot of information in the game, more than I can give you, but if you ask me something, I'll give you the information you need. For example, if you ask me "what's the political situation of China", I'll give you the informations available on it.

Here is our political system (in "objectives" I highlighted what we must do to unite italy), and the position of our two armies :

https://i.servimg.com/u/f68/16/28/23/10/politi10.jpg

https://i.servimg.com/u/f68/16/28/23/10/situat11.jpg

Gentlemen, let's start, shall we ?

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Post  Gilraen on Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:25 am

Nobody's there.

I was not expecting that :/

I quit. If some guys post and I'm here I'll come back.
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Post  Assassine on Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:53 am

This looks kinda like hearts of iron.

Anyway, i vote for Power to be the technology we pick.

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Post  Gilraen on Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:03 pm

It's Paradox Interactive, it's the same developer as Hearts of Iron.

Power :
2/6 Practical steam engines
- Factory throughput tech : + 2.5 % (note that we have no factory)
- Mining output : + 2.5 %
- Farming output : +25 %
- Farm size : -1 %

You have the first step of all the technology with sicily, except "experimental railroads" in infrastructures (industry). Research of "practical steam engines" would end the 7th july of the year 1939 (we are the 1st january of the year 1836).
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Post  Assassine on Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:31 pm

can we build a factory? (just asking, no decision)

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Post  Davinelulinvega on Sat Mar 12, 2011 1:16 pm

yes, build a factory next, methinks
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Post  Gilraen on Sat Mar 12, 2011 1:32 pm

Okay, I'm back, still nobody ?

I've chosen power as technology to research. I'll build a factory in our most populated aera, and I'll "produce" a lot of workers to work in it using our national focus.

What should we do with our two armies ? Diplomatically btw, the Ottoman Empire and the Austrian Empire are now allies. What nation should we try to be ally with ?

EDIT : A glass factory is in construction in Campania. It will be finished in exactly 365 days.
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Post  Davinelulinvega on Sat Mar 12, 2011 1:52 pm

try to gain an alliance with france by offering army support. we don´t really need out army atm i think. we should focus on builing up our ecconomy and our culture and an alliance with france should benefit us greatly, culture wise.
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Post  Gilraen on Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:02 pm

Wise choice. I'll increase our relation with them, and try to make a military alliance as soon as I feel like they will accept it.

We have a lot of money btw. Our budget is balanced. We have a fleet, and two armies of 21,000 soldiers. Unfortunately we have no generals yet. I'll let you know when we have some. Know that this is a respectable amount of soldiers, and they can be very mobile since we have a fleet available, we can land on any coast.
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Post  Davinelulinvega on Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:04 pm

i think it is unwise to start any military conflict at the moment: as i said, we should use our resources to better our own country first.
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Post  Gilraen on Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:13 pm

This is now June 27th of the year 1936.

Nothing really interesting happened yet.

France is conquering Algeria. Mexico is at war against Texas, the USA will probably interfere in the conflicts.
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Post  Gilraen on Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:17 pm

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Post  Davinelulinvega on Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:37 pm

engage america in diplomacy regarding the conflict
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Post  Gilraen on Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:42 pm

They are not going to accept it. The USA don't care about us. Also, we can't subside their war, we have not got an economy that is strong enough... As a matter of fact we would spend something like 400 (M) of £ a day when we only have 8000 £ and a daily income of ... 40 £ a day when it's good. We could not even send some troops. We can't go across the atlantic like that, our fleet would die of attrition since we have not got a single base nearby. America will probably beat Mexico's ass in the upcoming years, I would not worry for them.

What do we do about the liberals ?
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Post  Davinelulinvega on Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:55 pm

what exactly do they want? i cant really tell from the picture.
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Post  Gilraen on Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:58 pm

They want us to let people vote. If we accept, this will affect the population, if we shut down the society, this will make them angry, but they wont be able to spread their liberal ideas in the area.

We're an absolute monarchy, nobody votes. Only the land owners have a voice in our political system.
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Post  Davinelulinvega on Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:08 pm

change the system to a constitutional monarchy. give them a house of commons like in england, but reserve the right to veto and the military power for yourself. give them a say in civic matters.
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Post  Gcaison on Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:29 pm

I'm with Davinelulinvega if this action is possible, if not then, I say we.....
Tough decision, I say we make the people happy and change.
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Post  Gilraen on Sat Mar 12, 2011 5:43 pm

Actually, we do not have to change our governement right now.

This would be useless. Every regime has its advantages and disadvantages. It's just that from times to times, we will have events like that, and it's up to us to "limit" or authorize liberalism to spread in our country. We don't need a revolution right now. This is a local event, and most people in our country are reactionnary (85%, see the charts in the original post).

The question you have to ask yourself is : do I like the ideas of liberalism (anti-war, laissez-faire, free market, more political rights), or ... am I more conservative ? (protectionnism, state capitalism and interventionism, pro-war, important values...).
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Post  Davinelulinvega on Sat Mar 12, 2011 5:51 pm

since this is somewhat historically acurate and not just for the lulz, i will go for my irl ideals, namely liberalism and the values of the enlightenment! so there! we can not possibl hold an absolutist monarchy for ever and it is not even advisable anyway.
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Post  Gilraen on Sat Mar 12, 2011 6:00 pm

Indeed we can't be an absolute monarchy forever.

But ... economical liberalism is not always good for countries who are not industrialized yet, and that's our case. We need a strong regime to build factories and infrastructures, and then when we have a solid basis, I think it's more profitable to open ourselves to free trade and stuff like that, because the private corporations (the capitalists) will have more "money" than the state. But if we do that now we are doomed, we wont be able to raise an army, and we will loose all control over our economy which is weak.

I'll see what I can do. But remember that 85% of the country is reactionnary (15% are for the monarchy, it's in black on the political charts).

We are a monarchy, so we can choose what ruling party we want... I think that the conservative could be a good deal. They will be more popular than the current governement, we will keep a certain control over the economy, and it's a pro-war governement, and once they are in power, we could try to pass some political reforms. Are you okay with this ?

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Post  Davinelulinvega on Sat Mar 12, 2011 6:07 pm

i said earlier that i am all in favour for building up our ecconomy and culture at the moment, it was you that interjected with the liberalism stuff. i say we ignore / lend our military to allies so we have all of our budget for ecconomics.
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Post  Gilraen on Sat Mar 12, 2011 6:09 pm

I did as you said.

I really lowered the military budget to it's minimum. But we can't lend troops to our allies. Anyway, it's your choice ^^. I say no or yes to the construction of the association ? Really this will have very little effect. It's the people's ideology that is affected, and since our people does not vote, we do not really care about what they think... for now.
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Post  Davinelulinvega on Sat Mar 12, 2011 6:14 pm

i am for freedom of speech, and preceding that, naturally freedom of thought. ALTHOUGH if you think that we could realistically create a dystopia congruent with the premises of this game then i will make drastically different decisions. would this be possible? i was under the impression that we play this game somewhat based on what happened so far irl history.
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Post  Gilraen on Sat Mar 12, 2011 6:20 pm

You do what you want. I just warn you about the consequences.

We could even create a fascist italian state later, or a socialist republic of two sicilies x). Everything is possible. But as for now, socialism does not exist yet, and we could adopt a liberal governement, but we would have to face a rebellion (95% of the population does not like liberalism).
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